City on a Hill is a movement of men and women gathered across eight churches, united around one mission – “to know Jesus and makes Jesus known”.


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We are wired to resist pain, yet as Christians we are called to be like Jesus even when it hurts. Though God is opposed to slavery, he plays the long game and calls his people to fight injustice not with injustice but with humility and grace. When we’re treated like slaves in the workplace, suffering for doing what is right, we are to be encouraged that God sees and has gone ahead of us. 
 
Jesus knows what it means to suffer like a slave despite doing good, yet he persevered. Peter was a witness to this — seeing that Jesus ‘committed no sin, and was reviled but did not revile in return, suffered though did not threaten, entrusting himself to him who judges justly.’ So too we ought to follow in Christ’s footsteps, becoming uncomfortable for his sake, restoring relationships that have been broken and standing upon our faith wherever we are, shining the light of Jesus to those around us. Justice for our suffering will come, but until then our job is not to fight back injustice with injustice, but to take up our cross and follow ‘the shepherd and overseer of our souls.’

We are wired to resist pain, yet as Christians we are called to be like Jesus even when it hurts. Though God is opposed to slavery, he plays the long game and calls his people to fight injustice not with injustice but with humility and grace. When we’re treated like slaves in the workplace, suffering for doing what is right, we are to be encouraged that God sees and has gone ahead of us. 

Jesus knows what it means to suffer like a slave despite doing good, yet he persevered. Peter was a witness to this — seeing that Jesus ‘committed no sin, and was reviled but did not revile in return, suffered though did not threaten, entrusting himself to him who judges justly.’ So too we ought to follow in Christ’s footsteps, becoming uncomfortable for his sake, restoring relationships that have been broken and standing upon our faith wherever we are, shining the light of Jesus to those around us. Justice for our suffering will come, but until then our job is not to fight back injustice with injust

We Are Free (1 Peter 2:18-25)

While we live as elect exiles, we can’t drink from the spring of living water while at the same time poisoning it with the sin of the flesh. Our right thinking ought to shape our right living. If we are in Christ, we will abstain from sin, pursue a life of beauty, and honour all — even government. 
 
Living in what was the world’s most locked down city and coming out to vaccine mandates and political tension can make it hard to want to obey the government. But Peter wrote this letter during the time of Nero. So we submit in recognition that God is sovereign over all, and has all authority. The purpose of the government is to work for good and restrain evil. If they fail, we can speak out and shine light against authority that is misusing power and acting contrary to the goodness and grace of God. In the end, governments will give account to God. Until then, we submit to the king and honour one another — that “through our good acts we should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people” (1 Peter 2:15).

While we live as elect exiles, we can’t drink from the spring of living water while at the same time poisoning it with the sin of the flesh. Our right thinking ought to shape our right living. If we are in Christ, we will abstain from sin, pursue a life of beauty, and honour all — even government.

Living in what was the world’s most locked down city and coming out to vaccine mandates and political tension can make it hard to want to obey the government. But Peter wrote this letter during the time of Nero. So we submit in recognition that God is sovereign over all, and has all authority. The purpose of the government is to work for good and restrain evil. If they fail, we can speak out and shine light against authority that is misusing power and acting contrary to the goodness and grace of God. In the end, governments will give account to God. Until then, we submit to the king and honour one another — that “through our good acts we should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people”

We are Exiles (1 Peter 2:11–17)

Jesus, as the chief cornerstone, is infinitely precious. The chief cornerstone was the largest and most expensive stone used in building. It had to be perfectly cut, and it reminded the other builders who began the work. Jesus must be the foundation of life, for when we believe in him, the cornerstone will not be put to shame. The world may shut you in, but Jesus welcomes you in; the world may talk behind your back but Jesus will shower you with praise; the world may point at you as dirty and broken, but Jesus heals and makes us whole. 
 
 
The love The Father has for The Son, is the same love he has for us now. It is not conditional upon our merit, or whether we have it all together, but on the legitimacy of Christ. Belief is more than intellectual assent, but complete trust in Christ as the foundation of our salvation and of our lives. We cannot build our life on any other foundation, because it is all sand. No one and nothing but Christ can carry us and hold us together. Let us live us living stones built upon the foundation of Christ for the building up of the church.

Jesus, as the chief cornerstone, is infinitely precious. The chief cornerstone was the largest and most expensive stone used in building. It had to be perfectly cut, and it reminded the other builders who began the work. Jesus must be the foundation of life, for when we believe in him, the cornerstone will not be put to shame. The world may shut you in, but Jesus welcomes you in; the world may talk behind your back but Jesus will shower you with praise; the world may point at you as dirty and broken, but Jesus heals and makes us whole.


The love The Father has for The Son, is the same love he has for us now. It is not conditional upon our merit, or whether we have it all together, but on the legitimacy of Christ. Belief is more than intellectual assent, but complete trust in Christ as the foundation of our salvation and of our lives. We cannot build our life on any other foundation, because it is all sand. No one and nothing but Christ can carry us and hold us together. Let us live us

We are God's House (1 Peter 2:4-10)

The Bible is more than the best selling book of all time, it is the living word of God that is life-giving, lasting, and maturing. Thus, we obey the Bible by believing it, and being born again. Our rebirth is not something we gain ourselves, but something that God alone can give you through the life-giving and life-restoring word of God which does the work of God to accomplish the will of God. Kingdom’s will rise and fall, but God’s word endures forever. 
 
As children of God, born again through the living word of God in Jesus, we must rid ourselves of hypocrisy, jealousy, and deceit. We must not slander one another, but seek to out-do one another in love and showing honour. To become mature we must drink the pure milk of God’s word, and live a life of repentance in light of this reality as the beloved children of God.

The Bible is more than the best selling book of all time, it is the living word of God that is life-giving, lasting, and maturing. Thus, we obey the Bible by believing it, and being born again. Our rebirth is not something we gain ourselves, but something that God alone can give you through the life-giving and life-restoring word of God which does the work of God to accomplish the will of God. Kingdom’s will rise and fall, but God’s word endures forever.

As children of God, born again through the living word of God in Jesus, we must rid ourselves of hypocrisy, jealousy, and deceit. We must not slander one another, but seek to out-do one another in love and showing honour. To become mature we must drink the pure milk of God’s word, and live a life of repentance in light of this reality as the beloved children of God.

We are Children of God (1 Peter 1:13-2:3)

How do we remain faithful to Jesus in a post-Christian secularist age? By understanding that we are exiles sojourning on earth as temporary residents in a foreign place, and our home is in heaven. Although the world will try to tell us that this life is all there is, God has placed eternity in our hearts and we will find that nothing else will satisfy. Still, instead of rejecting earthly blessings we ought to be thankful for them, but never confusing them as the eternal thing. 
 
It takes courage to live out our faith as outsiders in the world, but we know our hope is not in the world but certain security in the living hope of Jesus. When we chose sin, Christ chose holiness. When we chose the world, Christ chose God. Now all who place their trust in him for forgiveness of sins are his elect, inheriting his kingdom and his righteousness, a kingdom unshakable and without end. In his kingdom, our true home, we will enjoy every spiritual blessing and the wholly satisfying pleasure of the presence of God forevermore. Until then, we sojourn as elect exiles on earth.

How do we remain faithful to Jesus in a post-Christian secularist age? By understanding that we are exiles sojourning on earth as temporary residents in a foreign place, and our home is in heaven. Although the world will try to tell us that this life is all there is, God has placed eternity in our hearts and we will find that nothing else will satisfy. Still, instead of rejecting earthly blessings we ought to be thankful for them, but never confusing them as the eternal thing.

It takes courage to live out our faith as outsiders in the world, but we know our hope is not in the world but certain security in the living hope of Jesus. When we chose sin, Christ chose holiness. When we chose the world, Christ chose God. Now all who place their trust in him for forgiveness of sins are his elect, inheriting his kingdom and his righteousness, a kingdom unshakable and without end. In his kingdom, our true home, we will enjoy every spiritual blessing and the wholly satisfying pleasure of the pre

We Are God's Chosen (1 Peter 1:1-12)

The Great Commission is global, for all nations, because in Christ we are all one. We as the global body of Christ exist to know Jesus and out of the overflow of our knowledge of him to make him known. Instead of building walls, Christians should be building bridges. May we recognise the need for the gospel in our city, sharing the hope of the goodness of God to the some 200 nationalities within our own city of Melbourne. The Great Commission is vital, and by God's presence and power that will be with us always, it is achievable.

With You Always (Matthew 28:18-20)

The Visit of the Wise Men 
 
1 Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men[a] from the east came to Jerusalem, 2 saying, “Where is he who has been born king of the Jews? For we saw his star when it rose[b] and have come to worship him.” 3 When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him; 4 and assembling all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he inquired of them where the Christ was to be born. 5 They told him, “In Bethlehem of Judea, for so it is written by the prophet: 
 
6 “‘And you, O Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, 
 are by no means least among the rulers of Judah; 
for from you shall come a ruler 
 who will shepherd my people Israel.’” 
7 Then Herod summoned the wise men secretly and ascertained from them what time the star had appeared. 8 And he sent them to Bethlehem, saying, “Go and search diligently for the child, and when you have found him, bring me word, that I too may come and worship him.” 9 After listening to the king, they went on their way. And behold, the star that they had seen when it rose went before them until it came to rest over the place where the child was. 10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced exceedingly with great joy. 11 And going into the house, they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh. 12 And being warned in a dream not to return to Herod, they departed to their own country by another way.

The Visit of the Wise Men

1 Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men[a] from the east came to Jerusalem, 2 saying, “Where is he who has been born king of the Jews? For we saw his star when it rose[b] and have come to worship him.” 3 When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him; 4 and assembling all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he inquired of them where the Christ was to be born. 5 They told him, “In Bethlehem of Judea, for so it is written by the prophet:

6 “‘And you, O Bethlehem, in the land of Judah,
    are by no means least among the rulers of Judah;
for from you shall come a ruler
    who will shepherd my people Israel.’”
7 Then Herod summoned the wise men secretly and ascertained from them what time the star had appeared. 8 And he sent them to Bethlehem, saying, “Go and search diligently for the child, and when you have found him, bring me word, that I too may come and worship h

The King is Here Bible Reading (Matthew 2:1-12)

As Josiah dusts off the book of the law, he realises that Israel has been at war with God. Showing true repentance, Josiah tears his clothes and made a covenant with God, steering an entire nation away from idolatry and back to God, even reinstituting the Passover which hasn’t been kept since the judges. His efforts were so great that Josiah was called the greatest king that Israel has had, or will have. Still, it was too little, too late. God’s wrath could not be kindled, and by the end of 2 Kings Jerusalem is destroyed and Israel is exiled to Babylon. 
 
Fourteen generations later, God’s wrath would be kindled forever through the death of Jesus, his son. Christ is the king Josiah could not be, granting us repentance that does not result in judgement, but in acceptance if we confess our sins, trust Jesus is faithful and just to forgive and cleanse us. May we walk in the newness of life by the Holy Spirit.

As Josiah dusts off the book of the law, he realises that Israel has been at war with God. Showing true repentance, Josiah tears his clothes and made a covenant with God, steering an entire nation away from idolatry and back to God, even reinstituting the Passover which hasn’t been kept since the judges. His efforts were so great that Josiah was called the greatest king that Israel has had, or will have. Still, it was too little, too late. God’s wrath could not be kindled, and by the end of 2 Kings Jerusalem is destroyed and Israel is exiled to Babylon. 

Fourteen generations later, God’s wrath would be kindled forever through the death of Jesus, his son. Christ is the king Josiah could not be, granting us repentance that does not result in judgement, but in acceptance if we confess our sins, trust Jesus is faithful and just to forgive and cleanse us. May we walk in the newness of life by the Holy Spirit.

Josiah (2 Kings 22-23:35)

Jehu was anointed by God to strike down Ahab, the former king who did more evil than any king before him, committing atrocious idolatry with his wife Jezebel. Jehu, directly and indirectly, slaughtered the entire house of Ahab and Jezebel, and all the worshippers of Baal. Idolatry angers God and incurs his righteous wrath. 
 
Like Jehu, our world wants justice and God has called us to take action. Better than Jehu, we are to show the world how our faith has changed us to push back against darkness and evil with goodness and light. In Christ, we are called to fight the good fight for our faith against the powers with the sword of the Spirit (the Bible) and the armour of God. Christian, use a sword and not a butter knife. First, use the sword of scripture on yourself to pierce through the idols in your own life, then use it to pierce the lies and idols in other’s lives.

Jehu was anointed by God to strike down Ahab, the former king who did more evil than any king before him, committing atrocious idolatry with his wife Jezebel. Jehu, directly and indirectly, slaughtered the entire house of Ahab and Jezebel, and all the worshippers of Baal. Idolatry angers God and incurs his righteous wrath. 

Like Jehu, our world wants justice and God has called us to take action. Better than Jehu, we are to show the world how our faith has changed us to push back against darkness and evil with goodness and light. In Christ, we are called to fight the good fight for our faith against the powers with the sword of the Spirit (the Bible) and the armour of God. Christian, use a sword and not a butter knife. First, use the sword of scripture on yourself to pierce through the idols in your own life, then use it to pierce the lies and idols in other’s lives.

Jehu (2 Kings 10:18-36)

Every king of Israel was ranked and measured against one criteria: their faithfulness to God. All that mattered was whether they lived to lead others to God, and to please God, not their military success, riches, geographical expansion, or political influence. Every bad king fell away from the correct worship of Yahweh and to idolatry, which was the sin of Jeroboam, Israel’s first evil king. Ahab was worse than any king before him, even worse than his wicked father. What made Ahab particularly wicked is that alongside his idolatry, Ahab married a foreign wife (Jezebel) and took the gods of her people. One of these gods was Baal, a storm god which would have been particularly important considering Israel’s environment. Ahab’s sin was that of compromise. He chose to pray to God but also Baal, and to follow the violent, destructive, path of his wife: Jezebel. 
 
God cares about our relationship with him, and the way we treat others, particularly the poor and powerless. There is to be no compromise with idolatry or oppression. When everyone is turning to compromise, and powerful leaders are oppressing the weak and slaughtering God’s people, our job is to stand firm on God’s truth like Elijah.

Every king of Israel was ranked and measured against one criteria: their faithfulness to God. All that mattered was whether they lived to lead others to God, and to please God, not their military success, riches, geographical expansion, or political influence. Every bad king fell away from the correct worship of Yahweh and to idolatry, which was the sin of Jeroboam, Israel’s first evil king. Ahab was worse than any king before him, even worse than his wicked father. What made Ahab particularly wicked is that alongside his idolatry, Ahab married a foreign wife (Jezebel) and took the gods of her people. One of these gods was Baal, a storm god which would have been particularly important considering Israel’s environment. Ahab’s sin was that of compromise. He chose to pray to God but also Baal, and to follow the violent, destructive, path of his wife: Jezebel.

God cares about our relationship with him, and the way we treat others, particularly the poor and powerless. There is to be no com

Ahab (and Jezebel) (1 Kings 16:29-22:40)

Wisdom without worship is worthless, and kings rise and fall when they lose sight of the wisdom of God, take pride in themselves, and seek to build Eden on Earth through money, sex, and power. Solomon, made king at the age of 12 with the death of his father David, was offered anything by God, and he chose to ask for wisdom. This led him to become renowned as the wisest man in all the world, who wrote elaborate proverbs and was the first to build God’s temple. Yet, he rapidly fell into pride and riches. He became known for accumulating multitudes of horses and chariots, hoarding excesses of gold, and taking many foreign women as concubines and wives. All of this in direct contradiction to God’s command regarding the prerequisites for a king. 
 
Like a ship adrift at sea, the compass needs only be off by a few degrees. To reverse engineer our life and live with the end in mind is the key lesson from the wise fool to never forget. Let us pursue our first love, beware of our subtle sins and repent of them, to live in light of the eternal kingdom instead of attempting to build a kingdom on earth, work out our salvation with fear and trembling, and worship like a child the one greater than Solomon: Jesus.

Wisdom without worship is worthless, and kings rise and fall when they lose sight of the wisdom of God, take pride in themselves, and seek to build Eden on Earth through money, sex, and power. Solomon, made king at the age of 12 with the death of his father David, was offered anything by God, and he chose to ask for wisdom. This led him to become renowned as the wisest man in all the world, who wrote elaborate proverbs and was the first to build God’s temple. Yet, he rapidly fell into pride and riches. He became known for accumulating multitudes of horses and chariots, hoarding excesses of gold, and taking many foreign women as concubines and wives. All of this in direct contradiction to God’s command regarding the prerequisites for a king.

Like a ship adrift at sea, the compass needs only be off by a few degrees. To reverse engineer our life and live with the end in mind is the key lesson from the wise fool to never forget. Let us pursue our first love, beware of our subtle sins and 

Solomon (1 Kings 4:20-34)

When will the cost be too great for you to follow Jesus? Despite having kept the commandments since youth, the rich young ruler had one thing he lacked: giving up his all to follow Jesus. After he walked away saddened, the disciples were shocked and said: ‘who then can be saved?’ To which Jesus says: ‘What is impossible with man is possible with God.’ 
 
We cannot do anything to earn material inheritance, but have a good relationship with our family. How much less so can do we anything to inherit eternal life, but be born in the family of God, have a right relationship with him, and follow Jesus.

When will the cost be too great for you to follow Jesus? Despite having kept the commandments since youth, the rich young ruler had one thing he lacked: giving up his all to follow Jesus. After he walked away saddened, the disciples were shocked and said: ‘who then can be saved?’ To which Jesus says: ‘What is impossible with man is possible with God.’ 

We cannot do anything to earn material inheritance, but have a good relationship with our family. How much less so can do we anything to inherit eternal life, but be born in the family of God, have a right relationship with him, and follow Jesus.

The Rich Ruler (Luke 18:18-30)

For twelve long years, the bleeding woman was outside looking in. For twelve long years, she was touched by no one. When she reached out by faith to touch Jesus, in hopes of healing, Jesus calls her his daughter, and says that her faith has healed her so she can find shalom. That is, the full restoration of peace with each other and peace with God. Her healing was not a tap and go transaction, but a relational connection. She had faith that Jesus could heal her, and it was this faith that made her well. 
 
 
Her faith was not blind trust or a superpower, it was trust in a person. To have faith in Jesus is to realise that he is the only one who can free us, save us, and heal us. It is not about the strength of our faith, but about the strength of the person we have faith in. Whether you feel like a somebody like Jairus, or a nobody like the bleeding woman, all of us end up on our knees begging for Jesus. Let us live our lives caring for the ones on the sidelines in truth, love, and grace.

For twelve long years, the bleeding woman was outside looking in. For twelve long years, she was touched by no one. When she reached out by faith to touch Jesus, in hopes of healing, Jesus calls her his daughter, and says that her faith has healed her so she can find shalom. That is, the full restoration of peace with each other and peace with God. Her healing was not a tap and go transaction, but a relational connection. She had faith that Jesus could heal her, and it was this faith that made her well. 


Her faith was not blind trust or a superpower, it was trust in a person. To have faith in Jesus is to realise that he is the only one who can free us, save us, and heal us. It is not about the strength of our faith, but about the strength of the person we have faith in. Whether you feel like a somebody like Jairus, or a nobody like the bleeding woman, all of us end up on our knees begging for Jesus. Let us live our lives caring for the ones on the sidelines in truth, love, and grace.

The Bleeding Woman (Luke 8:40-48)

The woman who wiped Jesus’ feet with her hair and tears was a ‘woman of the city’ known to be a sinner and prostitute. Her alabaster flask was her appeal, and once the flask is broken to pour the ointment there is no turning back. Furthermore, a Jewish woman wouldn’t reveal her hair until her wedding night, yet here she was breaking her flask and unbinding her hair, wiping the feet of her saviour. Thus, overcome by guilt and shame, yet realising Jesus is the only one who could set her free, she laid down her all at the feet of her saviour. 
 
We are all in spiritual debt and need a saviour to come on our behalf and pay our debt. The religious and rebellious are both equally in need of Jesus. A faith with conditions is no faith at all, so may we lay down all our sin and shame before the feet of our saviour who on the cross said ‘it is finished’, paying in full our debt of sin by his life, death, and resurrection.

The woman who wiped Jesus’ feet with her hair and tears was a ‘woman of the city’ known to be a sinner and prostitute. Her alabaster flask was her appeal, and once the flask is broken to pour the ointment there is no turning back. Furthermore, a Jewish woman wouldn’t reveal her hair until her wedding night, yet here she was breaking her flask and unbinding her hair, wiping the feet of her saviour. Thus, overcome by guilt and shame, yet realising Jesus is the only one who could set her free, she laid down her all at the feet of her saviour.

We are all in spiritual debt and need a saviour to come on our behalf and pay our debt. The religious and rebellious are both equally in need of Jesus. A faith with conditions is no faith at all, so may we lay down all our sin and shame before the feet of our saviour who on the cross said ‘it is finished’, paying in full our debt of sin by his life, death, and resurrection.

The Sinful Woman (Luke 7: 36-50)

The law mandated that the unclean had to live in isolation outside of society, and if they ever came across another person they were to shout their shame and say: “Unclean! Unclean!” Lepers, wherever they went, were unclean outcasts who no one dared approach, lest they too become unclean. Yet, in Luke 5, we see the leper approaching Jesus, bowing facedown, to receive the healing he so desperately needs. By asking Jesus “if you are willing, make me clean” he shows that he knows Jesus is able to heal him. 
 
When Jesus touches the leper before healing him, he is showing that his love for the unclean person is not dependent on their cleanliness. Grace is the arms of Jesus reaching into the mess of our lives, and pulling us close. There is no affliction or suffering beyond Jesus’ power to heal, if he is willing. At the cross, Jesus willingly took upon himself our greatest affliction — sin and death — so that whoever comes to him, trusting in his power to save, shall be made clean and set free.

The law mandated that the unclean had to live in isolation outside of society, and if they ever came across another person they were to shout their shame and say: “Unclean! Unclean!” Lepers, wherever they went, were unclean outcasts who no one dared approach, lest they too become unclean. Yet, in Luke 5, we see the leper approaching Jesus, bowing facedown, to receive the healing he so desperately needs. By asking Jesus “if you are willing, make me clean” he shows that he knows Jesus is able to heal him. 

When Jesus touches the leper before healing him, he is showing that his love for the unclean person is not dependent on their cleanliness. Grace is the arms of Jesus reaching into the mess of our lives, and pulling us close. There is no affliction or suffering beyond Jesus’ power to heal, if he is willing. At the cross, Jesus willingly took upon himself our greatest affliction — sin and death — so that whoever comes to him, trusting in his power to save, shall be made clean and set fr

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Andrew Grills preaching from Exodus 33:8-34:35. 
 
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Andrew Grills preaching from Exodus 33:8-34:35. City on a Hill Geelong.

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A sermon from our series in Exodus, on Exodus 33:7 - 34:9 by Pastor Mike Wziontek.

Find out more about our church: http://cityonahill.com.au/brisbane

Reconciliation With God (Exodus 33:7 - 34:9) - Brisbane

A sermon from our series in Exodus, on Exodus 33:8 - 34:35 by Nick Coombs.

Reconciliation With God (Exodus 33:8 - 34:35) - Melbourne East

In a tent outside of town, God’s presence dwells away from his people as a reminder of what could have been had they not disobeyed in idolatry and their stiff-neck ness. How often do we forget that the prize of heaven is the presence of God? 
 
On the mountain, God reveals himself to be firstly merciful, abounding in love, and slow to anger. He is not quick to look for excuses to condemn. His love extends to thousands of generations. Yet, God is not apathetic to evil. His mercy is not ignorant to sin, but it is lopsided. While his justice is poured upon a few generations, his love is poured upon thousands. His greatest act of love and judgement was met at the cross, when the judgement we deserve for sin was put upon Jesus, because of God’s love for us.

In a tent outside of town, God's presence dwells away from his people as a reminder of what could have been had they not ...

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